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emanko
Senior Member
Egypt
Arabic- Egyptian
- May 3, 2015
- #1
Hello
This job is
a- easier
b- more easy
c- more easier
What I know is that English favors economy, so I would go for a. But are b and c downright wrong?
Thank you
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SReynolds
Senior Member
Hungarian
- May 3, 2015
- #2
Both b and c are wrong, however, c is sometimes used accidentally when someone wants to say an adjective with more but decides to use one which takes -er. Stressing would make this clear, though.
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emanko
Senior Member
Egypt
Arabic- Egyptian
- May 3, 2015
- #3
Thank you
So, we should never use more with -er adjectives? Is it a rule?
And could you please tell me your source?
sound shift
Senior Member
Derby (central England)
English - England
- May 3, 2015
- #4
"Easier" is a comparative. It means "more easy" - so "more easier" is wrong. Indeed, [more adjective-er] is wrong.
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SReynolds
Senior Member
Hungarian
- May 3, 2015
- #5
No, you shouldn't.
As for the rest of your questions, there is no such ting as a rule when it comes to learning a language. In English, only usage is truly authoritative. When you say something's wrong, it means that only an insignificant fraction of speakers use it. As it's been pointed out many times, justifying usage with rules is putting the cart before the horse. There is only usage and advice derived from usage. Advice and observation combine to form a grammar rule, which tries to generalize usage in a way that is easy to understand and memorize.
A rule like this says that the comparative of an adjective is formed either using adjective + -er or more + adjective. There is no clear rule explaining when to use which (there are a lot of exceptions to the rule you might find in an ESL textbook). The rule I've just mentioned implies that more and -er cannot be used at the same time. We could go down a different path and justify not using both with redundancy but that would still be beside the point.
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Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- May 3, 2015
- #6
SReynolds said:
Both b and c are wrong, however, c is sometimes used accidentally when someone wants to say an adjective with more but decides to use one which takes -er. Stressing would make this clear, though.
b - "more easy" is not wrong. Whilst "easier" is by far the more usual form, "more easy" is a valid variant.
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SReynolds
Senior Member
Hungarian
- May 3, 2015
- #7
I've always thought that disyllabic adjectives ending with -y cannot be used with more, no matter what.
DonnyB
Moderator Emeritus
Coventry, UK
English UK Southern Standard English
- May 3, 2015
- #8
Andygc said:
b - "more easy" is not wrong. Whilst "easier" is by far the more usual form, "more easy" is a valid variant.
Have you got an example of that, though? I'm struggling a bit to envisage a context in which it would sound natural.
e2efour
Senior Member
England (aged 79)
UK English
- May 3, 2015
- #9
Not true! Take hardy, for example. And more easy is also possible, as Andygc says.
However, you are more right than wrong.
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- May 3, 2015
- #10
One of the essential characteristics of English is that it is never inflexible. There is perhaps one rule - the one structure you can't say when discussing usage is "cannot ..... no matter what". You can access the British National Corpus at http://www.natcorp.ox.ac.uk and the Corpus of Contemporary American English at http://corpus.byu.edu/coca/. In both you will find many examples of "more easy". Not all of them mean "easier", but several do. Naturally you will find many, many more of "easier".
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SReynolds
Senior Member
Hungarian
- May 3, 2015
- #11
Yes, I regretted writing no matter what the second I sent my reply, it just seemed to be a usage so obscure that I doubted it was used in written English. Thanks for the links and the explanation, I stand corrected.
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emanko
Senior Member
Egypt
Arabic- Egyptian
- May 4, 2015
- #12
Thank you all for your responses.
So, to sum up:
"easier" is the usual form used
"more easy" can be used but not preferable
"more easier" is quite unacceptable and considered as exaggeration
Can any native speaker confirm that, please?
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- May 4, 2015
- #13
"easier" is the usual form used
"more easy" can be used but not preferable - for occasional use only, and best to be avoided by learners of English
"more easier" is quite unacceptable and considered as exaggeration
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emanko
Senior Member
Egypt
Arabic- Egyptian
- May 4, 2015
- #14
Thank you Andy.
I'm sorry I can't see the emoticon next to the last point. Is it a "thumbs up"?
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- May 4, 2015
- #15
emanko said:
Thank you Andy.
I'm sorry I can't see the emoticon next to the last point. Is it a "thumbs up"?
It is - have a tick instead
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emanko
Senior Member
Egypt
Arabic- Egyptian
- May 4, 2015
- #16
Thank you
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